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    got to post it in parts, to big for this board.

    When Congress established Cape Hatteras National Seashore Recreation Area in 1937 its intent was to permanently provide for all Americans a unique area for their enjoyment and use.
    For years now, those of us who utilize this unique resource have been under assault by a variety of environmental special interest groups who would deny us access, but not themselves. They have tried compaction studies attempting to show that ORVs’ were damaging the beach. Only to find their data lost when it rained or a storm occurred. They have filed lawsuit after lawsuit in federal court claiming harm and inadequate protection for the birds and turtles that nest here. And in each case where evidence was heard from both sides in the court, they were sent packing. Quite simply, their claims were refuted by sound science and law. All of this, again, at the expense of the American taxpayer. What occurred April 30th, 2008, in Judge Terrence Boyle’s court changed everything.

    It’s the Piping Plover that has become the “poster child” for these groups.

    The plover is a relative newcomer to CHNSRA. Every bird study conducted between 1900 and 1959 show that it was not until 1960 that the first birds arrived in the Park. Plovers nest independently of one another and not in colonies. They neither feed nor care for their young from the moment they hatch. They nest in areas that are subject to frequent overwash and frequently lose nests as a result. This has already occurred at CHNSRA in the 2008 breeding season, and not just with plovers. Predation has also taken its toll this year.

    The Piping Plovers that nest at CHNSRA are part of the Atlantic breeding population which is considered “threatened”, not endangered. It is very important to understand that CHNSRA is on the extreme Southern edge of the Plovers breeding range which accounts for the historically low numbers within the Park. Most Plovers nest well north of the Park, from Virginias’ Eastern Shore to Newfoundland, Canada; with the majority of nesting occurring mid-range.

    I am an individual who has utilized this resource, this National Seashore Recreation Area, for almost three decades. And like many, am so familiar with this beach system that predicting structure changes, overwash, and the like comes as second nature. Collectively, we possess more first hand knowledge of the workings of the beaches and the wildlife at CHNSRA than any environmental group in existence. It is, therefore, no surprise that an Alberta, Canada Plover study contains the following statement: “human presence in an area can be a very effective form of predator deterrence.” (USFW 2000) Interesting as well is a statement by Tim Gallagher editor-in-chief of Living Bird magazine, published in the spring 2000 edition; “But the large number of people always present at beaches does have a remarkable taming effect on birds.” This reflects what we see daily as we visit our cherished beaches.
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    There are 21 documented ORV related plover deaths in the entire United States. Twenty of these were committed by federal vehicles. In the 47 years prior to the Consent Decree, not one single plover death can be attributed to an ORV user in this Park. One hundred percent of plover mortality at CHNSRA has been a result of either storms or predation. A far cry from the 24 Piping Plover nests the Army Corps of Engineers destroyed recently in the name of floating two barges of alfalfa pellets down a tributary of the Missouri River.

    The Defenders of Wildlife, Audubon and the Southern Environmental Law Center would have one believe that none of which I write in these pages is true though it’s all in the public record.

    The Consent Decree deals also with other birds such as Black Skimmers, Common Terns, Least Terns, Gull-billed Terns, Wilson’s Plover, and American Oystercatchers. None of whom are threatened or endangered. The Consent Decree treats them as though they are and at additional taxpayer expense. It also deals with the variety of sea turtles that occasionally nest on the Parks beaches though now requiring full beach closures, unlike the Interim Strategy.

    Some “Inconvenient Truths” for DOW, Audubon and SELC include: Under the Interim Strategy (IMS) the 2007 nesting season was the most successful Plover breeding season in over 20 years. Currently, under the Consent Decree, a single Plover chick is given enough beach area to cover the decks of three U.S. Navy Super Carriers, the largest warships on earth. As such, in most American communities, a convicted child molester can live closer to a public school than a fisherman and his family can get to a plover.

    On a positive note, The Atlantic Piping Plover population is fast approaching the 2000 nesting pair’s figure that makes them eligible for de-listing as threatened. The most recent counts show 1700 nesting pair. Just four years ago, the most accurate estimate was 1400 pair. This represents a rather dramatic increase in breeding pairs in a very short period. Unfortunately, at the cost of even more taxpayer dollars, de-listing the Atlantic Plover population is probably going to be challenged in court.

    The environmental groups also claim a substantial drop in Black Skimmer and Gull-billed Tern numbers. What they don’t want you to know is that the bird count for the 2007 season shows a better than 20% increase in numbers. They know very well that the birds chose to nest on a newly recreated dredge spoil island within sight of the Park. A study that Walker Golder, attorney for Audubon, plaintiff, and member of Negotiated Rulemaking participated in. In reference to this habitat, named Cora June Island, N.C. Wildlife Resource Commission writes:
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    "An outstanding success story can be found on Cora June Island, located near Hatteras Inlet. This island disappeared during Hurricane Isabel in 2003 but was rebuilt in spring 2007 during a dredging project by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Only months after rising from the sea, the island was home to one of the largest mixed tern/black skimmer colonies in the state with good numbers of nesting adults that successfully fledged hundreds of chicks.

    The recent survey, which was conducted in spring 2007, is one of 10 complete coast-wide surveys conducted since the late 1970s to monitor population trends, distribution of colony sites and nesting habitat conditions. Data gleaned from the surveys help biologists make management and conservation decisions and prioritize research. The next water bird survey is scheduled for 2010. "

    Never mind that these environmental groups have sued to stop the creation of additional spoil islands which would provide substantial new habitat for the very birds they profess the need and desire to protect.

    They would prefer you to believe that night time driving on the Beaches at CHNSRA disorients sea turtles. Hence the ban imposed by the Consent Decree. But they would have you ignore Pea Island National Wildlife Refuge, the northern 22 miles of beach on Hatteras Island. At Pea Island NWR, there is no beach driving and less than a dozen lights visible from the sea. Very few pedestrians frequent these beaches due to the difficulty in accessing them. And yet Pea Island has no greater turtle nesting success than ORV accessible beaches but does have more false crawls, aborted nesting attempts, than the open beaches. They would also have you ignore the fact that Plovers don’t nest there in spite of the excellent conditions.

    Under the Consent Decree, if a turtle nests within the relatively minute portion of beach that’s still accessible by ORV, the Park Service is required to establish virtually the same nest enclosure as established within the Interim Strategy. Beach users may drive by, park by and fish by this clearly marked 10’ by 10’ revetment cloth enclosure at will. Until, that is, September 15th. On that date, the Consent Decree imposes full beach closures in addition to the procedures outlined in the IMS, making those areas impassable by vehicle or pedestrian. This is absurd and arbitrary. The Consent Decree clearly states that if a nest is approaching its anticipated hatch date (pre September 15) NPS is to follow the same procedures outlined in the IMS, not including full beach closures. Which means that in spite of the additional “path” NPS constructs to funnel the hatchlings to the sea, the beach immediately outside this small closure is accessible to both pedestrian and ORV use. So why is September 15th , the “magic” day? Because this is an arbitrary date by which perhaps some of the bird closures will have been reduced and the Consent Decree finally allows for “permitted” night driving. This is a thinly veiled maneuver to continue to prevent ORV access to the beach. If it was ok for me to drive by or park and fish right next the closure on the 14th, it should be just fine on the 15th.
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    They don’t want you to know that at the best of times ORV users can only access less than 30% of the beaches at CHNSRA and that their “12% of the beaches affected” figure assumes 100% ORV access. This has not been true for many, many years. The truth is that well over 90% of the beach is currently closed either directly or by default. Areas bounded on both sides by closures are inaccessible even though they are technically open. They prefer to focus on ORV’s but the current closures prohibit pedestrian use as well. No entry means just that.

    It is, I think, ironic that as I labor over this communication, The Defenders of Wildlife have just sent their members an e-mail dated June 15th, 2008 that describes success as a result of the Consent Decree. “Since some of the most sensitive areas were closed to vehicles, birds like the piping plover and the American oystercatcher have been bouncing back.”

    Plover numbers are the same as they were last year under the IMS. I don’t know about the American Oystercatchers (AMOY) yet except for the nest on the Pamlico Sound side of HWY 12 between Frisco and Hatteras villages. There, less than 150’ from the 55 MPH traffic, in plain sight, an AMOY pair feeds their young and raises them to fledge quite happily.

    They also write:
    “The emergency plan was developed to be flexible, with temporary closures that can be lifted and reopened to vehicles once wildlife is no longer using certain areas. Already, some areas have been reopened this season.”

    This ignores the rash of immediate closures that followed the April 30th signing of the Consent Decree. Because of the Consent Decree, anyone with a cell phone can call NPS, report bird activity and the Park Service is required to close the area for weeks at a time. All of the areas that have been reopened as of 6/26/08 were initially closed due to inaccurate and perhaps false observation.

    They would rather you didn’t think of them as parties to the lawsuit that has prevented the replacement of the Bonner Bridge, Cape Hatteras’ lifeline and only over ground hurricane evacuation route; a bridge with a safety rating of 4 out of 100. The bridge in Minnesota that collapsed in 2007, killing many, was rated at 27. Since when do we so blatantly condone risking the loss of human life? The environmental groups have already announced that if the new bridge is attempted they will sue.
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    The Consent Decree is an obvious attempt at changing a National Seashore Recreation Area into a private wildlife refuge. Which has so far, been successful at the cost of untold taxpayer dollars. Remember that the plaintiffs are consistently reimbursed their legal fees and expenses by the already strapped Park Service and DOI. You must also consider the cost of constant monitoring, flying in and housing of un-needed special event teams, additional, extensive new signage, additional vehicles, law enforcement and infrastructure.

    The impact of the Consent Decree on the economies of the villages bounded by the Park has been astounding. I know this first hand as it cost me my job. Conditions under the Consent Decree continue to fester as more Americans and foreign visitors discover that the experience they expected when they arrived at CHNSRA has been almost entirely compromised. Thousands have already cancelled their reservations or vowed not to return. And yet both the environmental groups and United States Fish and Wildlife Service continue to utilize the arguably inept Voglesong study as the foundation of their economic and visitor usage statements in spite of a government funded peer review that deems the study essentially worthless. The esteemed panel also regarded the data and its collection methods so flawed that further review of that data would be a waste of time.

    “Dr. Michael A. Berry served as any Army officer in Vietnam in the 1960s. After returning to civilian life, he earned a doctorate in public health and worked in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, where as a senior manager and scientist, he served as the deputy director of National Center for Environmental Assessment at Research Triangle Park in North Carolina. During his 28-year career with EPA, he had extensive interactions with environmental organizations, local governments, the federal courts, U.S. Congress, universities world-wide, and institutions, such as the National Academy of Sciences, the World Health Organization, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. For more than 20 years, Berry, who lives in Chapel Hill, taught public health, environmental science, and business and environment courses at the University of North Carolina. He is currently a writer and part-time consultant, specializing in the evaluation of environmental quality and human health effects, environmental management strategies, and policy”. (www.islandfreepress.org)

    He writes:
    ”There has been no opportunity for public participation, comment, and input with regard to this new ORV regulation. For any environmental regulation issued by the federal government, citizens have the right of public review and comment as provided by the Federal Administrative Procedures Act. Under the Federal Advisory Committee Act, citizens also have a right to know about and attend federal government meetings, especially when those meeting involve special-interest organizations trying to influence the government. Under the Freedom of Information Act, citizens have a right to obtain all unclassified information, such as scientific information and correspondence with special-interest parties, that is held by the federal government”
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    The Consent Decree has changed the very nature of the Park. Though the environmental groups claim to want to preserve CHNSRA for future generations, I fail to see the value of a National Park that remains inaccessible during the spring, summer and fall, when the majority of Americans that visit the Park take their vacations at this time. And if USFWS gets their way by declaring CHNSRA critical wintering habitat for Great Lakes and Great Plains plover populations, though they openly admit they have no idea where the wintering birds originate, this will include the late fall and winter months as well.

    Preservation has been, so far, successful without court intervention and a draconian Consent Decree. What choice did Dare and Hyde counties and the various beach access groups have other than to consent? It came down to either accepting an agreement that they had no voice in and hoping for the best or face certain closure and the enormous economic impact that it would spawn.

    A Federal Judge is bound by law to render a fair decision based upon the merits of the evidence presented before the Court. But Judge Boyle declared his intention to provide the environmental groups exactly what they sought without hearing any evidence from either point of view and precluded the intervening parties, Dare, Hyde, OBPA, CHAPA and others from entering any evidence at all. This occurred within the first few minuets of the February 2008 scheduling confrence. At a later hearing, in spite of being charged by law to consider the economic impact of the proposed closures within the Consent Decree Judge Boyle repeatedly declared his lack of knowledge and understanding of CHNSRA, the villages contained therein, and signed the decree anyway. His obsession with closing Ramp 4 (Bodie Island Spit) as related in the transcripts of the April hearing is baffling.
    What the negotiations between the environmental groups and DOI promulgated can only honestly be referred to as a Decree of Forced Consent.

    CHNSRA was established first and foremost as a National Seashore Recreational Area.
    This is blatantly obvious when one reads the enabling legislation formulating and forever establishing the Park.
    Dated August 17, 1937 (50 Stat. 669), provides in part:
    Sec. 4. Except for certain portions of the area, deemed to be especially adaptable for recreational uses, particularly swimming, boating, sailing, fishing, and other recreational activities of similar nature, which shall be developed for such uses as needed, the said area shall be permanently reserved as a primitive wilderness and no development of the project or plan for the convenience of visitors shall be undertaken which would be incompatible with the preservation of the unique flora and fauna or the physiographic conditions now prevailing in this area…
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    On June 11th, 2008, Senators Elizabeth Dole, Richard Burr and Representative Walter B. Jones introduced bills S3113 and HR6233. These bills, if enacted, would put aside the Consent Decree and return CHNSRA to policy and operation governed by the IMS. This would effectively take management decisions out of the hands of a few special interest groups and return it to the professional scientists and staff of NPS at the savings of millions of taxpayer dollars over the life of the Consent Decree.

    Already these groups assail the media and their members with tales of doom were these bills signed into law. Some claim that Congress has no business even dealing with this matter. I beg to differ. Congress established this Park for the American People as a whole and provided us with a place we have fought hard to preserve as the unique and dynamic place that Hatteras is; or was. For years, most of us have lived by OBPA’s motto, “Preserve, Protect, Not Prohibit.” For example, to this day NPS does not employ “beach clean up crews”. We do this at our own time and expense. This hardly represents a user group with a penchant for environmental abuse.

    Congress reserved the right to change the nature of an established National Park for itself. And so there is no question as to whether these bills should be co-sponsored and enacted.

    16 U.S.C. Section 1a-1 states, "The authorization of activities shall be conducted in the light of the high public value and integrity of the National Park System and shall not be exercised in derogation of the values and purposes for which these various areas have been established, except as may have been or shall be directly and specifically provided by Congress."

    Surely this applies to forced closures as that constitutes an activity as well. Non government organizations have taken over scientific management of a National Park, an activity (Consent Decree) not sanctioned by Congress in spite of the obvious “derogation of the values and purposes for which these various areas have been established”.

    I urge every member of the Senate and House of Representatives to co-sponsor and foster these bills into law. Sound science and the weight of law should never be substituted for supposition and misleading statements.

    Please help return our National Seashore Recreation Area to the true stewards of this resource.

    With great respect,

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    welcome...10 words ten words, more words, ten words....lol
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    daaaang,weet....yew rites perdy gud fer wun of dem for weel drive fellers.yew musta had sum perdy fare skoolin.
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    Yup...

    Wheat, my friend this is one of the finest pieces of writing I have seen...

    It pains me that this will not be decided on the merits.

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    Excellent analysis. As someone new to this issue, it is very helpful indeed. Should be posted on appropriate websites to broaden public knowledge. Education on the issue is a key to building a broad political support base. Also, the pedestrian angle needs to be emphasized as it affects backpacker-fishermen like myself but also shell collectors, and many other categories including birders.

    The enemy's case seems to rest on falsified data. The use of falsified data by the enemy, such as the Voglesong "study" should be emphasized wherever possible. Each piece of falsified and misleading data should be taken apart for the reader to see, as Wheat has just done and the myth analysis just posted has done. For ease of presentation on handouts, one could use a two column approach of bullet points with "The Lies" on the left side and "The Truth" on the right side. Each lie would have its corresponding factual truth stated in rebutal. People do not like to be taken for fools, and the radical enviromentalist orgs are hustling lies and they are very vulnerable from what I have seen on this forum.

    Given the press of time and flow of legislation on Capitol Hill, members and staffers can find a one page statement of the bottom line, with bullet points as needed, helpful. Then, clearly presented accompanying data and analysis in "press kit" format can be used to develop their position on the issue and their statements in Committee and on the Floor.

    To indicate the NATIONAL dimension, the OBPA could provide a basic talley of its numbers of members BY STATE as a first cut and by CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT as a second cut. As we are dealing with a NATIONAL SEASHORE/PARK all members of Congress by definition have an interest, albeit the ones from the affected state (and neighboring states such as Virginia in this case) and district more immediately so.

    The American Sport Fishing Association at its website has a state by state breakdown of the economics. There is a category for in-state and out-of state anglers but I haven't located the stats yet for out-of-state anglers coming to North Carolina, or a further saltwater fishing/out of state anglers refinement. Logically, the State of North Carolina could provide the stats from their sales of coastal saltwater fishing licenses: which states/how many fishermen per state. I bet there are some international folks in there also which also illustrates the tourism factor.

    For those new to the issue, it would be helpful to place CHNS in the national context.

    Have radical environmental groups targeted other national seashore areas? Is there a pattern here? Do they have a broader game plan nationally? Perhaps the folks living around other National Seashore areas need to be apprised on what is up at Cape Hatteras. A list:

    Assateague Island National Seashore (MD and VA)
    Canaveral National Seashore (Florida)
    Cape Cod National Seashore (Mass)
    Cape Hatteras
    Cape Lookout
    Cumberland Island National Seashore (Georgia)
    Fire Island National Seashore (New York)
    Gulf Islands National Seashore (Florida, Alabama, Miss)
    Padre Island National Seashore (Texas)
    Point Reyes National Seashore (California)

    The Senators and Congressmen from these other locations would/should have an interest on the basis of National Seashore issues.

    Tight Lines.

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    Wheat Your The Man

    Thanks for donating your time to research, and writing this document. I hope this tells the environmental groups that we will not rest till our rights are restored!

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    Good job Jeff

    We need to keep reminding the public, especially during this election period, of just what has happen to the peoples' park--it's been taken over by a very small number of special interest, radical, arrogant, ideologues. The public has been shut out of its rightful place in the environment without any opportunity for due process or appeal. Only the Congress can correct this unjust "taking." And should our elected representatives fail, "remember in November." Elect only those who represent the general public, not special interest groups.

    Put your analysis in one place so it can be downloaded and circulated in its entirety. Please make sure Island Free Press gets a copy.

    Thanks for your good work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheatland_Whilly View Post
    welcome...10 words ten words, more words, ten words....lol
    Put in for Park Superintendent. I'll come work for ya!
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    Bravo Wheat!

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    Great work Wheat.
    I second what Mike said, please post it somewhere where we can download it in it's entirity (if you don't mind )
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    Bravo Zulu - Wheat!!!

    Again you have presented the facts in a clear and concise document. Your love and belief in the Park is quite obvious. I want to thank you, for myself and all the other Hatteras Lovers, for your dedication to this effort.

    My only comment is: you shouldn't have had this much free time on your hands to be able to research and document this... you need to be back in the shop working at the job you so loved.

    Best wishes, We hope this turns around soon and you life will get back to normal.

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    Can you attach the "Word.Doc: to a post so we can print it? It need to be hung in every public location.
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    good wheat........man u hit the nail on the head...great job and thanks for all you have done....the envros are killing this country......they want the island to look like portsmith island.......why was that town abanded??...the bills need to be attached to another bill for quick passage but it is a election year.....just gets my blood pressure up.....thanks wheat excellent...JS

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerseysalt View Post
    they want the island to look like portsmith island.......why was that town abandedJS
    http://www.portsmouthislandfishing.c...uthvillage.php

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    A W E S O M E!!!

    May I copy this to my local newspaper?

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    Excellent Job Wheat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    The editor of the VA Pilot needs to read this.

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    thanks ya'll

    but I dont know where to post it whole.

    Dr Berry, If I send this to you will you forward it to Irene?
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    Condensed into a word document

    I know I do not know you folks personally, but I feel a real connection as I to enjoy Cape Hatteras. It is so rare in these days and times to find unspoiled nature that everyone can enjoy. I would not consider myself a Surf fisherman, but I do fish in the surf. The people who live in Cape Hatteras have provided a refuge for persons like ourselves to fish, swim, collect shells, and most importantly spend quality time with our families and friends. I have taken a few moments out of my day to take this great document and condense it for the use of everyone and attached it. I titled it as I see it.

    Thanks to everyone for keeping me and the rest of the persons of Hatteras informed and upbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheatland_Whilly View Post
    thanks ya'll, but I dont know where to post it whole. Dr Berry, If I send this to you will you forward it to Irene?
    may need to be cleaned up a little (formatted, I was in a hurry)
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    Ok, I have the letter and we'll get it some addition circulation. Thanks

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    very nice Wheat!

    one observation - you've got a typo aon the senate bill # it should be 3113
    say what you mean & mean what you say
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    Excellent effort

    I learned a lot from that, as from your other posts. Thank-you.

    Lots of effort there for sure, and it shows.

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    Jeff, Cora June Island is named for a member of David Allen's immediate family (daughter-granddaughter), he is the head biologist for NCWRC and participated with Walker Golder in the activities on the Island. He also sits on Reg Neg.

    Great job setting this all out.
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    fixed

    the typo. Thanks
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    Great Work

    Nice Job Mr. Willy!
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    WHEAT!! Great work!
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    Thumbs up linesnap

    Thanks for all you do Wheat. I might have added ,in conclusion, or even better in the first sentence..." find enclosed my check to your campaign". With that statement included perhaps a Congress-person might read it and absorb the truth you speak.
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    more typos fixed.

    I should have sent this out to be proof read...lol

    If ya find more, let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longcaster View Post
    Jeff, Cora June Island is named for a member of David Allen's immediate family (daughter-granddaughter), he is the head biologist for NCWRC and participated with Walker Golder in the activities on the Island. He also sits on Reg Neg.

    Great job setting this all out.
    speaking of Cora June Island, had anyone notice if the turtles use that island
    as well as the birds???.. or is that too far from the surf??
    ·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> .·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> ,.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º>
    ¸.·´¯`·..·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> .·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> .·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º>
    .·´¯`·. ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> .·´¯`·. ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º>

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    Smart is the man who has something important to say and can be compelled to say it.

    Seriously; nice job!
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    GREAT Read Wheat

    I just wish I could have said what YOU Did.

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    Thank you Wheat
    Just do it!!

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    Wow!!

    With your permission, I would like to forward it on to a number of senators and congressmen!!

    Any typos fixed and attribution to you.
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    Niice job Jeff..,,

    You know your getting your message across when the Senator's receptionist knows who you are. I hit them with this like a 2x4 across a mans ass. I talked to all 3 of mine today, with this in hand...

    Nice research.
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    thanks Tommy

    thats what its for.
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    Wheat,

    Great work.

    Here are a couple of nits.

    The name in the enabling legislation uses RecreationAL Area not Recreation.

    Also I would not refer to the area as a PARK. It is a National Seashore.

    Yep it is administered by NPS but being absolutely correct it is not a National Park. For example the Wright Brothers area is a National Memorial. Ft Raleigh is a National Historic Site. The Smoky Mts is a National Park. We are a National Seashore and in fact the only Seashore to get RECREATIONAL AREA in the name.

    If you don't pick nits you will get lousy
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    Thumbs up THANK YOU, Wheat

    for all that you do and are doing. A remarkable job you did in this report.
    Again Thank You!
    Hope to sea ya soon,
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    Good letter

    Just compared resource reports for this week.

    2007 AMOY attempted 41 nests and had 17 active or hatched nests.

    2008 AMOY attempted 33 nests and had 16 active or hatched nests.

    But the new protection is showing results, right?
    Retired and love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim and Ginny View Post
    But the new protection is showing results, right?
    That's what DOW says, arn't they always correct?

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    Exclamation What a great job!

    Wheat, sure missed ya when I was at the shop earlier this month and sure wish I had attached your analysis to my comments regarding the closures. Keep thinkin' of a slogan from my youth but I really do believe that if we stick together "we will overcome".
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    wheat Pea Island is 13 miles, at least that is what NPS uses as length. 22 would include the Bodie Island district, or down to ramp 30.
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    Jim

    I've been told that from the bridge to Rodanthe was a two beer drive back in the day when it was legal, not long ago.

    I'll amend to include Ted's corrections; just not tonight.
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    Awesome

    I've followed this board for quite some time, but never posted before. I have been coming to the Outer Banks since I was a kid, for the last 25 years or so. I only get to make it down once a year nowadays, but I try to make the most of it while I'm there.

    After reading this post by Wheat, I figured it was a good a time as any to start posting.....absolutely awesome write-up.

    Thanks to all of you guys that are leading this fight!!! I'm trying to do my part by writing my all of my representatives.
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    BTW over on F&F the letter somehow got atributed to me. I've let Frank know about that.
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    Wheat:
    Great summary & analysis! It took a great deal of time, effort & research to pull this well written document together. It is more ammunition that I will certainly use in my efforts to help out here in PA.
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    Smile Wheaty!!!

    Most excellent synopsis of this sadly ludicrous situation!...permission to copy and distribute???Thank you for your time and hard work!!!
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    Wheat.... apparently you've been eatin' your wheaties!! Cuz that was STRONG my FHB brotha'.

    I especially thought your points regarding the size of the closures was priceless. 3 supercarriers long and especially especially regal was the comment that a child molester could live closer to a school than we can get to a plover!! PRICELESS !!

    Even more priceless.... the current stats on plover breeding... A 20% decrease in activity and breeding success. Science was quite obviously no part of their program.

    My hats off to you Wheat...

    Snag.. out...
    What a sad state of affairs... And it's all about the eco lawyers getting their payday!

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    thanks

    but, I think you got it wrong.

    no 20% decrease in anything. Except of course access. And 20% doesnt even come close.
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    Thumbs up I was referrencing ...

    the following quote from Jim & Ginny...
    To be exact.. It is a 19.512% decrease in activity.

    Also, I did not catch the AMOY part... I now realize this is not for Plover's.

    Thanks for the heads up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jim and Ginny View Post
    Just compared resource reports for this week.

    2007 AMOY attempted 41 nests and had 17 active or hatched nests.

    2008 AMOY attempted 33 nests and had 16 active or hatched nests.

    But the new protection is showing results, right?




    Either way.. you did a great job.

    Snag.... out...
    What a sad state of affairs... And it's all about the eco lawyers getting their payday!

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    Wheat,good work,but someplace you should mention the broken promise of "free and open access to the beaches",and the illegal name change made when recreation area was dropped.

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    Thank you Wheat for your time and determination to put this out for all to know the truth. I admire your wisdom and effort it must have taken to bring your essay to print. I'll look forward to seeing you again on a free and open beach. Well done!

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    WHEAT!!! Congrats - you are the guest column today in the island free press with this article!
    say what you mean & mean what you say
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    Published!

    Quote Originally Posted by judy krisukas View Post
    WHEAT!!! Congrats - you are the guest column today in the island free press with this article!
    Here's the link: http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...anagement.html

    - again, very nicely done.

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